indyanguy
07-03 10:43 AM
My case details:
Visa on the passport up until Feb 2009
6 year term ending on Feb 2010
Date on I94 in passport is Feb 2010
I140/I485 concurrently applied on July 07
Currently have EB3 I-140 filed based on Substitute Labor at NSC.
Questions -
1. If my I-140 case gets picked up AFTER Feb 2009 (less than 365 days of H1 6 year term ending) and is denied (God forbid!), will I be eligible to file for a post 6 year H1 extension? Since this is Labor Sub, the labor doesn't have my name on it.
2. Can I file for a new EB2 PERM at that time and get an extension based on that (H1 6 year ending term < 365 days at that time)?
3. As a backup, can I apply for EB2 PERM NOW for a different position from the same company? How will it affect my pending EB3-140?
Thanks in advance
Visa on the passport up until Feb 2009
6 year term ending on Feb 2010
Date on I94 in passport is Feb 2010
I140/I485 concurrently applied on July 07
Currently have EB3 I-140 filed based on Substitute Labor at NSC.
Questions -
1. If my I-140 case gets picked up AFTER Feb 2009 (less than 365 days of H1 6 year term ending) and is denied (God forbid!), will I be eligible to file for a post 6 year H1 extension? Since this is Labor Sub, the labor doesn't have my name on it.
2. Can I file for a new EB2 PERM at that time and get an extension based on that (H1 6 year ending term < 365 days at that time)?
3. As a backup, can I apply for EB2 PERM NOW for a different position from the same company? How will it affect my pending EB3-140?
Thanks in advance
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GCKaMaara
05-29 04:09 PM
All those people who are saying let us inform USCIS, if 50% of them go home today and draft letter and post or email it, then that will be significant achievement for today. Emotional exchanges without any concrete plan after a bad news is norm here. Look at the past few bulletins. Let us do gandhigiri, let us do flower campaign, let us do rally, questiion is WHAT WE REALLY DO not "LET US".
Five letter word: U N I T Y
Five letter word: U N I T Y
delax
07-24 09:23 PM
If this is indeed true, isn't it unfair to issue visas to Feb 2006 dates at a Consulate while people with 2005 dates are waiting for AOS. Can this be challenged in court?
Everything is fair in love and war and Immigration my friend! Cheers.
Everything is fair in love and war and Immigration my friend! Cheers.
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sunty
06-02 10:09 PM
If we do file a lawsuit against the discriminatory country-quota laws in EB immigration, in worst case scenario, even if we loose it might help highlight the issue and send a message to Washington that we are serious and we mean business. And the judgement might help us at-least get the recapture visas back if the court is made aware of our plight.
IV has spent so much money on Patton Boggs etc. . Maybe its time we think about this option as well. Maybe this method might work as clearly other approaches have failed and we haven't gotten anything. And before the IV loyalists jump on me and ask me to contribute first, yes if there is a lawsuit by IV, I will happily contribute my half-month's salary to the cause.
IV has spent so much money on Patton Boggs etc. . Maybe its time we think about this option as well. Maybe this method might work as clearly other approaches have failed and we haven't gotten anything. And before the IV loyalists jump on me and ask me to contribute first, yes if there is a lawsuit by IV, I will happily contribute my half-month's salary to the cause.
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Napoleon
07-12 05:54 PM
Please help me out here
1. Will I need an employer to keep me on a visa in Canada?
2. If so, does anyone knows any employer who plays by the ratio?
3. Do I need to stick to this employer forever during my CA - PR application?
4. Is canadian market good enough to pay 120 per hour for an ERP consultant?
1. Will I need an employer to keep me on a visa in Canada?
2. If so, does anyone knows any employer who plays by the ratio?
3. Do I need to stick to this employer forever during my CA - PR application?
4. Is canadian market good enough to pay 120 per hour for an ERP consultant?
okuzmin
07-12 12:27 PM
lordoftherings, I doubt there is a country in the world that would fit all. I also doubt such a thing as "ideal immigration policy" exists. It is always good to have a job offer before you immigrate, but it's ultimately up to the immigrant to find out what it'll take to get on his/her feet in the new country.
After reading (and watching videos of) all those sob stories on notcanada.com and the like about doctors, nurses, engineers who can't get a job or have to study for years to get a Canadian license to practice, I wonder how much of a research those folks did prior to coming to Canada. If a medical occupation requires studying for additional time and taking exams, then you should have learned about it. If engineers of your specialty are not in high demand, you can figure it out by going through Canadian job postings and contacting employers. If you are not willing to look for a job elsewhere but Toronto, then it's your problem: perhaps in Calgary the opportunities are more readily available. I have a friend in Montreal who owns an IT recruitment company. He told me that they are sending IT folks from Ontario to Alberta, since Alberta unemployment rate for IT professionals is currently at 0.5%.
Bottom line is: research for yourself, ask different people, be flexible about where you want to live in the new country (hey, it's the country's demands you need to adjust to, not the other way around!) -- this will save you from many unpleasant surprises.
After reading (and watching videos of) all those sob stories on notcanada.com and the like about doctors, nurses, engineers who can't get a job or have to study for years to get a Canadian license to practice, I wonder how much of a research those folks did prior to coming to Canada. If a medical occupation requires studying for additional time and taking exams, then you should have learned about it. If engineers of your specialty are not in high demand, you can figure it out by going through Canadian job postings and contacting employers. If you are not willing to look for a job elsewhere but Toronto, then it's your problem: perhaps in Calgary the opportunities are more readily available. I have a friend in Montreal who owns an IT recruitment company. He told me that they are sending IT folks from Ontario to Alberta, since Alberta unemployment rate for IT professionals is currently at 0.5%.
Bottom line is: research for yourself, ask different people, be flexible about where you want to live in the new country (hey, it's the country's demands you need to adjust to, not the other way around!) -- this will save you from many unpleasant surprises.
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lazycis
02-14 05:17 PM
Another prove of government misconduct is violation of regulations
In addition to the aspirational 180-day deadline in 8 U.S.C. � 1571(b), the 8 C.F.R. � 103.2(b)(18) sets forth a detailed timetable for “withholding adjudication of a visa petition or other application if . . . an investigation has been undertaken involving a matter relating to eligibility or the exercise of discretion . . . .”
I doubt these regulations were followed in thousands of delayed I-485s.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=223449&postcount=3
We have also over a hundred WOM rulings were court acknowledged that the USCIS "unreasonably delayed" adjudication of applications. Moreover, the USCIS intentionally pushed people to go to court
http://bibdaily.com/pdfs/Mocanu%201-14-08.pdf
"For reasons stated at the hearing and in this Memorandum, I have reached a tentative conclusion that Defendant USCIS, overwhelmed by these applications, has adopted a strategy of favoring delay by litigation, instead of developing an orderly and transparent administrative resolution. Although this strategy is often evident in private party damages litigation, it is improper in these cases."
In addition to the aspirational 180-day deadline in 8 U.S.C. � 1571(b), the 8 C.F.R. � 103.2(b)(18) sets forth a detailed timetable for “withholding adjudication of a visa petition or other application if . . . an investigation has been undertaken involving a matter relating to eligibility or the exercise of discretion . . . .”
I doubt these regulations were followed in thousands of delayed I-485s.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=223449&postcount=3
We have also over a hundred WOM rulings were court acknowledged that the USCIS "unreasonably delayed" adjudication of applications. Moreover, the USCIS intentionally pushed people to go to court
http://bibdaily.com/pdfs/Mocanu%201-14-08.pdf
"For reasons stated at the hearing and in this Memorandum, I have reached a tentative conclusion that Defendant USCIS, overwhelmed by these applications, has adopted a strategy of favoring delay by litigation, instead of developing an orderly and transparent administrative resolution. Although this strategy is often evident in private party damages litigation, it is improper in these cases."
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lc1978
01-13 02:23 PM
Long 19 page memo - but loud and clear for many scenarios -
http://www.uscis.gov/USCIS/Laws/Memoranda/2010/H1B%20Employer-Employee%20Memo010810.pdf
This memo is an eye opener especially for folks on consulting company assignments and those who are self-sponsored or who want to do their own business. Finding a new H1 sponsor would be extremely difficult as well (AC21 folks beware).
Now getting a new H1 or a transfer or a renewal, may be subject to very stringent scrutiny.
This memo has the potential to throw a lot of small boutique Consulting companies out of business and along with it many of their employees - whether they use H1 or not.
Wish the best for all affected folks.
Pray and hope the GC dream is realized faster for all.
Best Wishes
Regards
http://www.uscis.gov/USCIS/Laws/Memoranda/2010/H1B%20Employer-Employee%20Memo010810.pdf
This memo is an eye opener especially for folks on consulting company assignments and those who are self-sponsored or who want to do their own business. Finding a new H1 sponsor would be extremely difficult as well (AC21 folks beware).
Now getting a new H1 or a transfer or a renewal, may be subject to very stringent scrutiny.
This memo has the potential to throw a lot of small boutique Consulting companies out of business and along with it many of their employees - whether they use H1 or not.
Wish the best for all affected folks.
Pray and hope the GC dream is realized faster for all.
Best Wishes
Regards
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another one
12-13 02:00 PM
Since SC has already decided on the matter, does this rest this discussion?
Here is what the Supreme Court said:
http://supreme.justia.com/us/426/67/case.html
"The fact that all persons, aliens and citizens alike, are protected by the Due Process Clause does not lead to the further conclusion that all aliens are entitled to enjoy all the advantages of citizenship or, indeed, to the conclusion that all aliens must be placed in a single homogeneous legal classification. For a host of constitutional and statutory provisions rest on the premise that a legitimate distinction between citizens and aliens may justify attributes and benefits for one class not accorded to the other; and the class of aliens is itself a heterogeneous multitude of persons with a wide-ranging variety of ties to this country.
In the exercise of its broad power over naturalization and immigration, Congress regularly makes rules that would be unacceptable if applied to citizens. The exclusion of aliens and the reservation of the power to deport have no permissible counterpart in the Federal Government's power to regulate the conduct of its own citizenry. The fact that an Act of Congress treats aliens differently from citizens does not in itself imply that such disparate treatment is "invidious."
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The real question presented by this case is not whether discrimination between citizens and aliens is permissible; rather, it is whether the statutory discrimination within the class of aliens - allowing benefits to some aliens but not to others - is permissible."
The SC concluded that the statutory discrimination within the class of aliens is permissible.
Here is what the Supreme Court said:
http://supreme.justia.com/us/426/67/case.html
"The fact that all persons, aliens and citizens alike, are protected by the Due Process Clause does not lead to the further conclusion that all aliens are entitled to enjoy all the advantages of citizenship or, indeed, to the conclusion that all aliens must be placed in a single homogeneous legal classification. For a host of constitutional and statutory provisions rest on the premise that a legitimate distinction between citizens and aliens may justify attributes and benefits for one class not accorded to the other; and the class of aliens is itself a heterogeneous multitude of persons with a wide-ranging variety of ties to this country.
In the exercise of its broad power over naturalization and immigration, Congress regularly makes rules that would be unacceptable if applied to citizens. The exclusion of aliens and the reservation of the power to deport have no permissible counterpart in the Federal Government's power to regulate the conduct of its own citizenry. The fact that an Act of Congress treats aliens differently from citizens does not in itself imply that such disparate treatment is "invidious."
...
The real question presented by this case is not whether discrimination between citizens and aliens is permissible; rather, it is whether the statutory discrimination within the class of aliens - allowing benefits to some aliens but not to others - is permissible."
The SC concluded that the statutory discrimination within the class of aliens is permissible.
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imneedy
03-20 10:53 AM
Well there is no reason to say person who started this thread is buying labor.
Can you prove that you got an offer for substitute labor and you rejected it?
:o
If you have a valid point, why don't you start a new thread where people can report those users who post question on substitution. We will see if that forum gets popular.
It is distracting to people who came to look for answers based on title of this post. Good luck at mud slinging!!
......because you are using labor substitution.
At this time nobody can do anything legally against people who are using labor substitution and employers who are secretly selling labor substitution.
This substitution is increasing backlogs, is unfair to people waiting in line, encourages employer exploitation since they use it as an incentive to woo employees and then exploit them, 'selling' is illegal but one must complain against the employer and the employee for DOL to act.
Lawyers are part of this scam. I have read in some posts that even AILA opposed when labor substitution was being ended. It is a lost business opportunity for their lawyer members!!
I have pointed several labor substitution members on the forums in the past. some of them were never found on the forum since they feared being caught. They must have changed their ID or ran away. So until a law is passed for banning it, such 'trade' that hurts our interests will continue.
Good that you guys are only buying labor certifications. There is no 'legal' process to buy greencards directly from employers yet!!
Can you prove that you got an offer for substitute labor and you rejected it?
:o
If you have a valid point, why don't you start a new thread where people can report those users who post question on substitution. We will see if that forum gets popular.
It is distracting to people who came to look for answers based on title of this post. Good luck at mud slinging!!
......because you are using labor substitution.
At this time nobody can do anything legally against people who are using labor substitution and employers who are secretly selling labor substitution.
This substitution is increasing backlogs, is unfair to people waiting in line, encourages employer exploitation since they use it as an incentive to woo employees and then exploit them, 'selling' is illegal but one must complain against the employer and the employee for DOL to act.
Lawyers are part of this scam. I have read in some posts that even AILA opposed when labor substitution was being ended. It is a lost business opportunity for their lawyer members!!
I have pointed several labor substitution members on the forums in the past. some of them were never found on the forum since they feared being caught. They must have changed their ID or ran away. So until a law is passed for banning it, such 'trade' that hurts our interests will continue.
Good that you guys are only buying labor certifications. There is no 'legal' process to buy greencards directly from employers yet!!
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ivar
08-16 02:15 AM
What use is this thread? How does it serve the purpose of IV. I see emotions flaring up time and again with every "incident" that media sensationalizes. Its high time administrators here took control of our messaging otherwise anti-immigrants are soon going to pounce on this. I sense an under-current of hatred in some posts as well. I am going to stop coming here if this mindless stuff does not get stopped from being posted. Personally I don't even think that forum should be on the home page.
ezee,
Well i guess i need not extend this topic any further.. because as your post above says that this thread is not leading to any fruitful discussion. I assume forums are a place to discuss and exchange views and ideas and what better place than IV to discuss immigration issues.. i don't understand your point. Still if this thread doesn't serve any purpose i will edit and remove all my post on this thread. Thanks everyone for sharing your views. I have edited all my post and marked them as DELETED. Its really difficult to figure out which is a good discussion and which is not, anyways i will stop here.
ezee,
Well i guess i need not extend this topic any further.. because as your post above says that this thread is not leading to any fruitful discussion. I assume forums are a place to discuss and exchange views and ideas and what better place than IV to discuss immigration issues.. i don't understand your point. Still if this thread doesn't serve any purpose i will edit and remove all my post on this thread. Thanks everyone for sharing your views. I have edited all my post and marked them as DELETED. Its really difficult to figure out which is a good discussion and which is not, anyways i will stop here.
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newbee7
07-04 07:45 AM
Under the section "Why does it hurt?
Lawyers who charged upwards of $2000 for filing will not refund the service fee, so candidates have to pay again when dates become current in future.
The biggest loss is the trust, coz, next time people will not believe these mid month bulletins at all as they can come around anytime and revise the dates. So, applicants will always have to live in fear untill they receive the receipt.
Macacca,
Fantastic job!
Can you please add to why does it hurt:
Many had to take MMR vaccine and hence postpone their plans to have kids by 3-6 months as recommended by NIH.
For "Spouse can work" we might want to word it such that it just does not look like one job less for Americans. Something like spouse can excersise the freedom to get out of the house and contribute to the emarican economy.
Lawyers who charged upwards of $2000 for filing will not refund the service fee, so candidates have to pay again when dates become current in future.
The biggest loss is the trust, coz, next time people will not believe these mid month bulletins at all as they can come around anytime and revise the dates. So, applicants will always have to live in fear untill they receive the receipt.
Macacca,
Fantastic job!
Can you please add to why does it hurt:
Many had to take MMR vaccine and hence postpone their plans to have kids by 3-6 months as recommended by NIH.
For "Spouse can work" we might want to word it such that it just does not look like one job less for Americans. Something like spouse can excersise the freedom to get out of the house and contribute to the emarican economy.
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kshitijnt
04-01 07:59 PM
Some time back when I asked my chinese colleagues to join IV they commented that immigrationvoice.org is an "indian" immigration forum...
No wonder they felt that way.
So if stop discussing this thread, will they join us?
No wonder they felt that way.
So if stop discussing this thread, will they join us?
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kuhelica2000
02-16 11:34 AM
My friend, writing in bold font doesn't make your argument bolder. An argument is bold by the underlying merit of the argument. Where did I mention anything about race?
Even if I had said that there is fraud and corruption in India, it would not be considered as a racist comment. Every year Transparency International generates a list of most corrupt nations. Ever wonder why India is on that list. Ever wonder why out of all places only in India US visa officers are instructed to do technical interview for IT visa applicants? You are living in complete denial and trying to play the race card whenever you get an opportunity.
Fraud and corruption is prevalent everywhere incuding India and a prepondernece of the bodyshops are nothing but a factory of producing overnight "IT Talents". Accept this is as one of the problem of this retrogression.
You are accusing people from India for using wrong credentials for picking up H1b/L1 jobs. This is ridiculous and pretty racist.
Even if I had said that there is fraud and corruption in India, it would not be considered as a racist comment. Every year Transparency International generates a list of most corrupt nations. Ever wonder why India is on that list. Ever wonder why out of all places only in India US visa officers are instructed to do technical interview for IT visa applicants? You are living in complete denial and trying to play the race card whenever you get an opportunity.
Fraud and corruption is prevalent everywhere incuding India and a prepondernece of the bodyshops are nothing but a factory of producing overnight "IT Talents". Accept this is as one of the problem of this retrogression.
You are accusing people from India for using wrong credentials for picking up H1b/L1 jobs. This is ridiculous and pretty racist.
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gcformeornot
01-13 08:55 PM
Can USCIS face legal challenges on this? It was just a memo, no law has been changed by the Government; the laws are just the same they were when they let it about a million people or so through these IT consulting companies.
Now they go back and say that was a misinterpretation of existing laws :eek:
don't you think. AC21 (the famous Yates Memo) is also a memo. People expect USCIS to follow it though.... :o
Now they go back and say that was a misinterpretation of existing laws :eek:
don't you think. AC21 (the famous Yates Memo) is also a memo. People expect USCIS to follow it though.... :o
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jonty_11
07-10 11:31 AM
Well said good luck.... I may be following you soon once I have my Canada application nearing approval.....
Please do share your story with media....IV core can probably help you there.
Please do share your story with media....IV core can probably help you there.
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breddy2000
09-03 11:07 PM
breddy2000,
Stick to the point, on YSR. Or open a thread on your favorite topics.
AP has seen an unprecedented political killings, govt and personal land grabbing, corruption, and opportunistic politics just for one man thirst YSR.
It�s better to have none than these factionist gonads. As for my id, yes just for this and more and it should not matter you. If you have point, talk about it, otherwise just shut up and don�t preach like YSR�s family member that �Someone or something is better than none�
I cannot agrue with you based on how you personally attack someone who has a different point of view.
If you do not know how to debate objectively, no one can help
Your reputation from just 6 posts says it all and I'll end this here... Good luck with your Politics.
Stick to the point, on YSR. Or open a thread on your favorite topics.
AP has seen an unprecedented political killings, govt and personal land grabbing, corruption, and opportunistic politics just for one man thirst YSR.
It�s better to have none than these factionist gonads. As for my id, yes just for this and more and it should not matter you. If you have point, talk about it, otherwise just shut up and don�t preach like YSR�s family member that �Someone or something is better than none�
I cannot agrue with you based on how you personally attack someone who has a different point of view.
If you do not know how to debate objectively, no one can help
Your reputation from just 6 posts says it all and I'll end this here... Good luck with your Politics.
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Keeme
05-01 05:29 PM
"Tomorrow if we or our generations are getting killed in the US, would you say the same thing" ....
Of course yes! If our generations are US citizens, US govt should take care of them and if they are part of any terrorist organisation, they should be treated the way terrorists are treated.
"Country needs to care about its people" ... Its is in your quote ... Issue is about Srilankan's and their goverment should take care of it, NOT India. I don't think any one has a doubt about how LTTE should be handled.
Agreed but some Govt. fails to do so. IF Govt. were acting resposibly , World wouldn't have seen the WW1 and WW2 and Bosnia-Serbia crisis and countless other masscare !
One should understand difference b/w ' Srilankan Tamils' and 'LTTE'.
Of course yes! If our generations are US citizens, US govt should take care of them and if they are part of any terrorist organisation, they should be treated the way terrorists are treated.
"Country needs to care about its people" ... Its is in your quote ... Issue is about Srilankan's and their goverment should take care of it, NOT India. I don't think any one has a doubt about how LTTE should be handled.
Agreed but some Govt. fails to do so. IF Govt. were acting resposibly , World wouldn't have seen the WW1 and WW2 and Bosnia-Serbia crisis and countless other masscare !
One should understand difference b/w ' Srilankan Tamils' and 'LTTE'.
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gc28262
01-13 08:51 PM
Unfortunately some of our members are deriving some sadistic pleasure out of this development. However what we as a community should realize is this is just the first trick under the sleeves of anti-immigrants supported by grassley and co. Once consulting companies are out of the picture, they will target permanent employers with conditions like "the company should not have fired any US citizen in the past 6 months or plan to layoff any citizen in the upcoming 6 months." They could come up with additional restrictions for direct employers as well. At that point none of us will have any consulting companies to fall back on.
Anti-immigrants are bypassing legislative process of the country by writing letters to USCIS director and forcing USCIS to issue an internal memo which is probably illegal.
Those of you deriving sadistic pleasure out of this development, this will affect our entire community irrespective of consulting or permanent/direct at some point.
H1B restrictions for TARP companies shouldn't have faded out from our memory in this short timespan.
Anti-immigrants are bypassing legislative process of the country by writing letters to USCIS director and forcing USCIS to issue an internal memo which is probably illegal.
Those of you deriving sadistic pleasure out of this development, this will affect our entire community irrespective of consulting or permanent/direct at some point.
H1B restrictions for TARP companies shouldn't have faded out from our memory in this short timespan.
logiclife
01-23 05:18 PM
what happens to the people who got their GC's using labor from this guys company? Hopefully they are not affected, it will be sad to see their lives in trouble because of him.
They will be affected. If you pay cash $20,000 to buy an approved labor, you are breaking that law too, and at the minimum, they would be reapplying for GC again, at the maximum, deportation, for breaking immigration laws.
In fact, if your immigration case was approved with fraudulent information/documents unbeknownst to you and if you employer was alone in the fraud, even then the approved petition(whether its H1, labor, 140, 485) would be voided by USCIS.
What is really frustrating is that backlog centers keep approving labors from very early priority dates and these employers keep responding to 45 day letters saying that "Yes" they want to proceed with labor even though the employee would have left a long time ago. And they do it with the intention of either selling it for cash or using it as an incentive to hire a person on a lower-than-market salary. That it is one of the reasons why PDs are not moving forward...all these old old labors are being recycled into the system.
And this was cybersoftec was in Edison NJ. I wouldnt be surprised if you can find a dozen companies doing this within 1 mile radius of this guy in Edison NJ. No offense meant to NJ or the township of Edison. But boy that place reeks with stinking desi employers.
The only thing that has stopped since Nick Mandalappa was caught is that they've stopped selling it on sulekha.com. If he hadnt been caught, then these guys would be selling approved labors on eBay by now.
They will be affected. If you pay cash $20,000 to buy an approved labor, you are breaking that law too, and at the minimum, they would be reapplying for GC again, at the maximum, deportation, for breaking immigration laws.
In fact, if your immigration case was approved with fraudulent information/documents unbeknownst to you and if you employer was alone in the fraud, even then the approved petition(whether its H1, labor, 140, 485) would be voided by USCIS.
What is really frustrating is that backlog centers keep approving labors from very early priority dates and these employers keep responding to 45 day letters saying that "Yes" they want to proceed with labor even though the employee would have left a long time ago. And they do it with the intention of either selling it for cash or using it as an incentive to hire a person on a lower-than-market salary. That it is one of the reasons why PDs are not moving forward...all these old old labors are being recycled into the system.
And this was cybersoftec was in Edison NJ. I wouldnt be surprised if you can find a dozen companies doing this within 1 mile radius of this guy in Edison NJ. No offense meant to NJ or the township of Edison. But boy that place reeks with stinking desi employers.
The only thing that has stopped since Nick Mandalappa was caught is that they've stopped selling it on sulekha.com. If he hadnt been caught, then these guys would be selling approved labors on eBay by now.
JunRN
05-29 11:47 AM
3.2K visas for EB2I includes all applicants. So regardless of what type of processing, the last person to get his GC is 19 years from now, correct?
Yeah, but your 60k only includes AOS, not CP, right?
Yeah, but your 60k only includes AOS, not CP, right?